Neither pure socialism, nor pure capitalism [can] exist; why the outcry about Obama’s “virtual”-socialism?

19 Feb

 

Prologue:                                                                                                                                Those interested in the topic of this blog which deals with the facts that Capitalism, as is Socialism, in their pure states, cannot survive within sovereign human societies, should also avail themselves of:               

This blog, Part II: Why is it not possible for either purs Socialism or pure Capitalism to survive?

or

Pure Capitalism means anarchy, while pure Socialism means Chaos!

The issue: Since neither pure socialism, nor pure capitalism [can] exist; why the outcry about Obama’s [virtual]-socialism? The outcry about what many spoke-persons for US conservatives label: European Socialism?

Conservative media voices, such as Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Beck, Ingel, Coulter, to name a few, keep telling their audiences that socialism never worked. What they fail to tell their audiences is that neither did capitalism. As a matter of fact, one cannot identify an economic system that endured without including socialistic elements, or without undergoing major changes, throughout the history of civilization.

Some economies have been around and prospered for a few years, they were (a few still are) generally a hybrid operations adopting principals from one system or another, when it deemed advisable. There are a number of capitalistic countries (such as Canada, and perhaps Sweden) that boast national, or socialistic health care systems. Their systems may not be perfect, but they are clearly not inferior the the US system, and they do not leave out tens of millions of their citizen without any health resources.

United States capitalism, the great success, that it appeared to be from time to time, had major failures (such as the great dipression, and the situation we are in today;) that notwithstanding, it also deploys socialistic elements to simply allow it to function. Labor unions, the small amount of income re-distribution in the tax code, and welfare, are but three examples, there are many more, none are necessarily destructive items to degrade capitalism, to the contrary, they usually enhance the way economies operate.

Conservatives should not fear Obama for socialistic elements that he may introduce in his policies; if they chose to criticize the President, they should do so on the merit of each item they don’t like, not because they could attach the socialism label to it!

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12 Responses to “Neither pure socialism, nor pure capitalism [can] exist; why the outcry about Obama’s “virtual”-socialism?”

  1. annymorris September 3, 2009 at 7:01 am #

    Hello. Did you read Karl Marks about socialism? It is a pretty good thing, everything there is build on such mental and ethical principles as a mutual support, solidarity etc. But the practice shows that this was another kind of Utopia. And capitalism I guess is too materialistic. Well said, «the hybrid operations adopting principals from one system or another” is the aurea mediocritas.

    • Benjamin April 22, 2010 at 5:58 pm #

      The best way for pure socialism to work is within the confines of a religious institution. The Amish practice a form of socialism that is very successful.

      The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints practiced it during the 19th century in Ohio, Missouri under the leadership of Joseph Smith, Jr. and later in several experiments in the Rocky Mountains under the leadership of Brigham Young. His Zion’s Cooperative Mercantile Institute was one of those religious socialist programs that was highly successful among the Latter-day Saint Rocky Mountain settlements. These people believed that all of their goods belonged to God and that they were all considered “stewards” of the land and of all of the things that they made. They loved one another as a large far flung family and thus they loved working for each other and helping each other. That made it very successful during certain periods. Brigham Young used to warn the people that if they got rich they would “get kicked out of the Kingdom and go to hell if they did not repent.” His hatred of capitalism stood in stark contrast to the modern Mormon Church. Very interesting.

    • arley pino August 18, 2011 at 9:28 pm #

      Capitalism and Socialism have to work togather to make it work. In America it has never been apart and as of right now our gov is in charge of 1607 social programs. By themselves both systems would fail.

    • dangoor February 20, 2014 at 3:35 pm #

      You imply that “mediocritas” is a negative, it is not, in reality it is the typical human, quite OK.

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